Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Is law enforcement on our side?

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A recent blog either asked that question or lead me to ask that question. And, in short term, I went in a logic circle trying to find where I really stood on the issue. I did not find a way out of that until recently. The answer, though it may seem circular still, is yes and no.

The latter answer, no, is a simple thing. Law enforcement is really created to enforce laws. They cannot possibly enforce all laws all of the time. Nor can they enforce laws blindly. As such, the average citizen will perpetually be at odds with law enforcement. We are the ones they are looking at. And, as a nation, we would rather do what we want rather than follow laws. And anyone who breaks a law would rather not face penalties for it. If there were enough officers to enforce every law, we would either have a huge civil uprising or be crushed under militaristic police forces. So, this leads to selective enforcement. Part of that selectivity is based on, hopefully, past behavior, demographics (yes, I believe in some weight given to profiling), and an officers instincts. Prosecutors and judges sort out the right and wrong, officers really are a thin blue line, undermanned and often outgunned (as it really is supposed to be as a means of balancing of powers).

On the other hand, the police and other law agencies really do exist for our sum total benefit. If you do not believe that, try living in a nation where law is weak, corrupt, and overpowering. Most Americans could look to Mexico for an example, but most of European law enforcement would make most Americans feel just as weak if they have reason to experience it, if in a slightly different way. Run from the police in Germany (at your very real peril), talk back to a cop in England or France, or cause trouble in Italy. You will find you have no real rights, not as Americans know them. As for protective service, law officers fail. Their job is mostly investigating crimes after the fact. And courts have agreed that, even with court orders, the police have no responsibility for the safety of citizens. That, in my opinion, is a good thing. I would rather protect mine and myself, thank you.

Beyond that, law officers generally do a good job, most are straight enough for government purposes, and do what is expected of them well. There are exceptions, as with all things. But for the most part, they really are world class. In my opinion, they balance force with patience well. They practice their trade in a manner such that, should that have been my calling, I would be proud to be in their numbers. And, all given, I will obey and work with them in almost any condition barring unwarranted lethal force being used on me, or something crazy like that, without me being a threat. I have had encounters with the police, not always happily (though too, never seriously), and I have never had a problem. I am large, but that is more of a risk than not. A big guy makes normal and small guys nervous when they are supposed to be in a position of power, so I would expect cops to overact negatively for that reason. Yet, as I have said, I have always been polite and have never had a problem.

Look, if a cop stops you, gives you a hassle, and you are clean. Obey him. If that means handcuffs and a ride, take it. Then talk to his chief and take care of it that way. If you are a doper and do not think dope should be illegal, then move to Mexico (or California). If you are a slime ball and like committing crimes, if you have a record, or if you have an attitude, expect trouble. Why? Because you are looking for it. If you think cops treat you bad, look at why that is happening. Most likely, you are the problem. That does not mean I believe in a police state, it means I believe in law and order. Beyond, if we reduce police forces to the point where they do not function, expect me and others like me to fill in for them. And, to be absolutely honest, if you are a dirt bag, you best hope that does not happen. I will not sit their and hold your hand while you smear and demean me, courtesy, order, or such. You best hope law officers, professional ones, are on the job. Because I will mash you, more if you refuse to take your medicine.

The first thing I plan on doing when I move is contacting the local sheriff and perhaps talking with the local police outreach officer. Well, I need to talk to the sheriff in order to get my cc converted. But I would also like to talk to him as a neighbor, ask some questions, and leave open that if he needs help that I will be available. I suspect all I will ever be needed for would be search and rescue tasks and such but one never knows. And, I would think, if nothing else, any sheriff would feel more comfortable knowing that there are people out there who are interested and willing to put a little skin in the game for their community.

Part of what confused me, regarding law officers, was that the relationship is and always will be somewhat antagonistic. The other part of the confusion is my rage at prosecutor’s and judge’s failures. I see them let officers take all the heat, do all the work, and just as often through activism, reverse discrimination, and other evils, spit in the faces of officers (and us). And, really, I do have rage about that. Add to the media’s work in this type of evil as well, I have grave doubts about law and order, generally, in the US. Until we restore sanity to the other areas of our legal system, that will not change. I have very little faith in “my” court system and media. But cops, yeah, so long as we can keep the Dums from corrupting them.

One last thing. Police are on our side, if to a much lesser degree and imperfectly, like God is. If we are doing what we are supposed to be doing we really have no problem. Do crime, or sin, and plan on paying the price... here or there, maybe both.

8 comments:

  1. "... talk back to a cop in England.."

    That depends on your skin color, if you're white, you'll get arrested, if you're black or muslim, then you can do as you please. You're right about the rest of Europe though, while they prattle on about wire-tapping and tsk-tsk at Gitmo, they can haul you into jail and hold you there for quite a while with few if any rights.

    "...the police have no responsibility for the safety of citizens."

    Good in a nation that allows you to defend yourself, not so good when they won't let you defend yourself either.

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  2. I hadn't realized England had become so prejudiced, but I believe it. I suppose they can get away with it since so few citizens have weapons, the politicians have no need to fear them. The criminals, who are armed, wouldn't change a thing if they could. They have become the other pigs at the trough, and the 'eats' are good.

    Yep, though even here, which state you live in makes a big difference. As for Europe, I do not think they have ever really favored "peasants" being armed. From kings to bureaucrats to dictators, Europe has failed to allow for anything like the God given rights thing. It amazes me how lucky I am to live in a nation which started out that way.

    Though we might be in trouble, up to a point, that we in the US just bought (since we started realizing that curious George was going to be elected) enough guns to arm the Chinese military, I think we will most likely be holding onto our rights (and guns) for just a bit longer.

    It would be nice to be able to help Europeans, and the rest of the world actually. But after sacrificing several generations of young men in several wars and only a generation apart, on saving them from themselves and each other, I don't think they will ever understand. If nothing else, we need to begin changing who we let into the states. Bringing Europeans to the home of the free and leaving the real peasants where they should stay might help change Europe.

    Who knows, but things really needed sorted out, here and there, and from top to bottom. That is my hope, let monkeys keep the change.

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  3. Ditto MKSviews.

    IN France there are whole areas where
    the police refuse to go--Muslim areas.

    US police have tough jobs--PR is half the task.

    Worry is wen the feds try to play local cop--then things good look a stocking pulled over the head.

    A few years ago a Texas town was terrorized by unknown men with guns burstin' upon them wif' all sorts of orders. The mayor was in on it, not the rest of the emergency departments, including police. Dispatcher was wounded Navy Seal, he recognized certain tactics....in the end, the Feds were simply testin' local and civilian response to unnamed, unknown officers showin' up an' takin' over. THe kicker of course is that it was a joint exercise wif' UN "peacekeeppin'" personnel.

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  4. Here are some of those fine men in blue, attempting to arrest an ambulance driver who is rushing a patient to the hospital:
    Highway Patrol gets in fight with EMT"Arrest me at the hospital!"

    Idiots.

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  5. I've had enough nasty attitude and I side with the cops. Until I know more, like why they were trying to pull him over (was he driving beyond reasonably even for emergency vehicles, was he endangering others, or where there questions about him using the vehicle). Hell no I don't trust that loud mouth. And, what was he doing taking his mother to the hospital? It sounds like something is way off.

    Be careful who you side with. I see way to many people who think they can do whatever they want because they want to. As I have said, if you give resistance, expect trouble. And that guy looks like a hood junkie, and sounds like one. Piss on him, and his mother. Probably just needed their family fix. Now that they think they have a president, they are pushing the crap way too far.

    Even if it was cop was being gung-ho, that is an exception. The rule about basing law, or logic, on exceptions should hinder much more of a look. Who would you rather have their way, the "driver" or the cop. And, as an EMT, he has just as much a responsability to obey a police command as you and I. He isn't BHO, though BHO is letting thugs off, starting with black panther thugs. As I said, if there aren't cops, if that punk endangered me and mine, I wouldn't bother arresting him, or his fat momma.

    Oh, one thing they overlooked. They think they are going to use the Tiller killing for their advantage. And they might. What they have overlooked is that now that there is a black president, quotas, set-asides, preferential treatment... guess what? That's now all but gone. Shove em' back into the pits until they can act like humans.

    You started it.

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  6. Almost missed you Aunty, I must have added you when I was half asleep.

    I am not saying cops are angels, or perfect, but I am angry when people put them in an nearly impossible situation and then attack them at every turn. Darn tootin' they are going to circle the wagons and shoot the natives. They have been nearly stripped of any way to deal with the most virulent among us. And when they do try, politicians stomp on them or simply bar them from access as in France.

    Heck, it happens here. The Triangle... Charleston, or was that Orlando, Chicago's Little Havana or whatever it was called, and North Chicago as well. I used to thrill through those places, avoiding cops cause they picked white boys up if they happened to be driving through and took us home (first time was an accident, after that, I was just shooting for adrenaline). The cops did not stop, look around, they just drove from point A on one side to point B on the other side.

    And 99% of officers I have dealt with have been more than fair and pretty darn cool. I've seen the crap they have to take. And I've seen punks get right in their faces so much so that I wanted to smack the punks down.

    Plus, I am really tired of the thuggish nature of so many Americans today. If the police can't take care of it, someone will have to. To be honest, I would prefer they take out the trash and bury it deep.

    Yeah, about the Feds. They best keep their peckers in check. I think a lot of Americans are tired of being pushed by punks and prodded by Feds who refuse to take care of the real problems. If they aren't going to step up to the bar, yeah, accidents frigging happen. As we said on submarines, even the captain can slip down a slick ladder should the lights blink out. If you are going in loaded, better have enough bullets... Custer.

    Or, something like that. :p

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  7. The guy filming was not an EMT. I gathered that he was following the ambulance together with his father when this went down.

    From what I could determine, the cop was responding to a request for assistance from another (county?) unit. The ambulance did not pull over when the cop came up behind him (emergency vehicle on an emergency call, after all), so he rammed the ambulance to get his attention and pull over.

    Now *if* the call the cop was responding to was so earthshakingly important that an ambulance rushing to the hospital was causing an unacceptable traffic obstruction, then why the Sam Hill did he see fit to take the time to pull him over and create this scene? Didn't he have another *high-priorty* call to respond to? Or wasn't it so important after all? Not to mention he let the ambulance go on its way and followed it to the hospital to finish the arrest there.Aren't EMT's generally (automatically) considered to be part of the "good guy" team by police? Was it really worth this for reasons of public safety, etc? Or did the cop just have a hard-on about his authority? Maybe because this was Oklahoma and the driver and occupants were just "uppity niggaz"?

    Don't get me wrong. Most cops are decent people doing a difficult job. Being an arrogant prick is not a job requirement for police work. Yet it seems to attract an unusual number with that very quality. I hope this particular one gets reassigned to mall security.

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  8. If that is the story and all of it, sure, I'll bite. But what I have found is that many stories are half told, factually incorrect, and the reality is something quite a bit different. MSM and their use of the filming of Rodney King, for example. I sided with the cops, big time, over the viral sensationalism of the 'victimization' of a doped out aggressor. I guess we can come to an agreement, with our givens.

    As far as uppity, if you mean aggressive, criminal, consciousless thugs, yeah. I really am angry about that. If they were in the real right any where close to half the time, I could see your point. But living in a neighborhood that has been taken over by them, my patience is past thin. The more there are the worse it gets, and that is the bottom line. Unless you add in the thug in chief is handing out passes to poll intimidaters and setting the brothers loose through that and other means, things could get nasty. You can't beat a woman, as a proper man, but you had best be able and willing to beat animals and men who act like them.

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