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Aside from having the right to carry a loaded pistol in my vehicle, open carry in most places (not the big cities, or even many small ones, mind you... though even that is becoming more likely as the state and cities hammer out who has what rights with the state coming down on the citizen's side of things... and winning I think). But a law is set to be proposed allowing all Utah residents the right to conceal carry... without a permit. Beyond that, the author of the proposal is a man after my own heart. So, perhaps, there are some politicians who can get it right. Well, if fed and watered properly? And, of course, with much support. It works both ways. Here is one of the articles on the matter. I may have found a politicians whose coffers deserve a bit of my, if piddly, money. Sure, give if you like, but why not find your own politicians? Unless you live in Utah, then send it in!
Something else they might be doing is offering the option to license, for out of state reciprocity purposes. One of the things that might change with that is to add range shooting qualification for an even greater reciprocity. Nothing says loving like arming the ants?
That is something I need to begin working on again. I like the idea of concealed carry (if generally I prefer open carry). Sometimes, however, conceal carry is simply smarter for a number of reasons.
Yeah, whatever. Get out of here. Ha! Or, get on your bikes and ride! (fat bottomed girls, after all and all that jazz)
Arizona recently passed concealed carry without permit. It is set to go into effect in August IIRC.
ReplyDeleteI do have concerns, because I felt the CCW training courses were extremely valuable, and I'm not exactly comfortable with the thought of loads of people carrying without a basic understanding of the law.
More armed citizens is good, but we don't live in a culture where basic gun etiquette, safety, and knowledge of what is and is not legal is common knowledge.
Oh, and I will take classes, personally. And, while I might agree with you in principal, that is not the letter of the right. Since when, as the author of the conceal carry without a permit law suggested, do we have to get certified to go to church, to discuss topics that are controversial, or anything for any other right? And the right, clearly, states the right to bear, not own, not lock up, not anything but bear arms.
ReplyDeleteUnless bear or arms meant something totally different back when, I am for it. If there are more mistakes, accidents, and problems, those will be handled swifter than they currently are, with only criminals who depend on a frightened, crippled, outgunned and manned police force to simply look the other way on the way to their pensions, not having enough cops to really do the job anyway (and thankfully, that should be our job to a greater degree), and a few other things.
Cops, especially chiefs, big city, and liberal, won't like it, sheriffs probably will. But whether they like desegregation, freedom of religion, freedom of speech (expression really), does not matter either.
Well, that is my take. So, if you want to solve some problems, recommend to people you know to go to classes. For their own safety and to avoid huge legal problems. It is not like it is all that expensive, and I would guess it is kinda fun.
Right in principle. Much has been lost since the last time open or concealed carry was common however.
ReplyDeleteI am taking a wait and see, bracing for the inevitable leftist howling the first time some newbie to concealed carry bungles and shoots the wrong person in the wrong circumstance.
I suppose it can't be avoided, however. I'd like to think the responsible gun owners will raise their voice at that time and push for the untrained to get some basic training, whether officially required or not.
I do not care what the left rails about. Rather than joining them, asking for their forgiveness, or otherwise caving to them, we need to finally and decisively as a people stand up and tell them to SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN, in no uncertain terms.
ReplyDeleteYou, as many, show the hooked by the nose mentality in this that is so much the core of the problem. Sure, we should recommend and morally enforce training. But any legal connection just gives the left both an eye on who has and does not have guns and access to those people and those guns. No more legal ties whatsoever. No more laws which are contrary to the constitution. Quit apologizing for utilizing a right. Your right, your responsibility. What some knucklehead does has NOTHING to do with you, me, or anyone else. We HAVE TO TAKE THIS RIGHT BACK, UNAPOLOGETICLY. It goes back to personal responsibility. Period.
And, yes, I would love to see machine guns become legal on a much broader basis. We have laws for felons and yet they are seemingly the only ones, other than the rich, who can obtain these. One thing I noted, by the way, in spite of being quite unsure whether I myself should buy and own a gun... It changed my perspective completely. It is not cool, hot, awesome, or anything. It is a new burden, in a way. It is a responsibility. I think it happens to most new owners. Darwin's awards and criminals by nature notwithstanding.
Sorry, exciting day. Long day. If I came across too strongly, honestly don't sweat it.
Oh I know what you're saying, and here in AZ and UT, they have little choice but to sit down at the end of the day.
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