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While I do call myself libertarian, it is in the conservative-libertarian vein. I must say, however, that I am seeing very strange beliefs among some of the more prominent libertarian types I know. For example, D.C. suggesting that a return to the 2007 federal spending levels as being quite good (you do realize you are supporting President Bush, no you are, by saying that, right?); Vox supporting the OWC crowd; the mixing of Rand Paul and McCain; Ron Paul running on the Republican ticket, and offering an unconstitutional (parts of it) economic plan (without a word from the "pro-constitution" guys), and a dozen other oddities.
There is much aggrievement from many libertarians about the Tea Party being a Republican ploy. And... what, exactly, is the libertarian party? It's a younger (generally) version of the Tea Party, more fully expressed into it's own party if never too seriously. Both have elements that are outside, or apart from, the Republican party. But for the most part, they are merely tools of change. They are the social, civil, elements of the party, the voters, demanding reform and a return to (possibly fictional, if laudable and possibly functional new roots if true) roots of the Republican party. So I laugh deliciously to see libertarians ripping Tea Partiers. Especially as a guy who has a foot in all three political groups. Kinda neat to have three legs, by the way. It's like pink calling lavender 'teh gey'. heh
I don't value protests as anything, for the most part, but see them almost solely as disorders. I see them as means of creating chaos on the streets which offers a power grab for certain groups. While Zero is smiling like an idiot, don't think he and his cohort aren't considering how they could use this to grab power. One or two major acts of violence, or the allowance of riots for some time, would make people stay mum if he decides to eliminate civil rights. He wouldn't use it on these groups, so much, mind you. He would use it to destroy the Tea Party, or try. The OWC'ers are, or could easily morph into, Zero's 'brownshirts'. Now, I also don't classify a rally, such as what the Tea Party puts on, as protest. That is quite different. I really shouldn't have to be explaining this to adults, but it seems as if some libertarian types can't or won't see the difference.
Sometimes I feel very alone. I quit the Republican party, I'm not quite Tea Party, if I have huge sympathies, empathy, and agreement. And while I hold some libertarian thought, I would not say I am a true libertarian, either. But more, when I see people who should know better throwing in with what Zero, the communist and neo-NAZI parties, and other rogue elements, are also supporting, I... get a chill.
Still, I get a chuckle too. Children, indeed. IQ means nothing if it is not used. And petty jealousy is so inelegant. The libertarian party is dying. The Tea Party is rising. But neither, to my way of thinking, will or even were meant to last. They will and have provided seed that is blossoming into a new Republican party. They have an end date, a best if used by stamp, based on changes to government. That is all they were ever meant to do, even by the founders of those movements, whether admitted to or not. There simply isn't room for another party unless one or both of the old ones dies. Though, with Democrats, unless they can grab enough power quickly enough to inextricably kill this nation as we know it and make it into a one-party system, might be up for extinction. If we can make it to the next election, I think, and a constitutional amendment limiting spending to income, we will be fine. It's a race. So, perhaps the Libertarian party actually has a place, in such a case. Until an extinction occurs though, these groups are merely... seed and fruit. Bah!
"Quite good"? I don't recall putting it that way. Given the mammoth increase since 2007, that would be an "improvement" over the present course.
ReplyDeleteI had to go see what you said. Luckily I didn't have to go far. You said, It *would* be an improvement, and perhaps not as hopeless as you paint. But I see zero chance of it so it doesn't matter. Fair enough, but quite a shocking thing from you in any case. I had thought you to be on board with the "Bush left Obama an impossible situation". Oh, well, there was that bit after 2007, with the stimulus. But if the spending that has gone forward since isn't the last nail in the coffin? I am surprised to hear you say that I guess. And, for my part, I am a bit dubious of anything but continued decline leading to failure. Oddly, much like my heart, if I think my heart has more years left to it than does our economy. No guarantees, either way, just... from my perspective...
ReplyDeleteNow, I don't believe we necessarily need to become desperate like third worlders, or right away, or such. But we might lower ourselves to the British or French, and if we follow them after that, we will all be taking a fiscal trip to Russia in our own back yards at which time someone can officially hand us our "stupid" card. Assuming there isn't a coup, revolt, both, or an out and out civil war along the way. Or invasion as we scavenge our military (as we are set to do by that idiotic agreement the Repubs bungled, 2 trillion out of the military, automatically?) and our populace proves to be completely pussified, which does seem to be the case.
Okay, I dream of nothing but sugar plums and presents. But that is what I see if huge dramatic changes aren't made. But our system isn't capable of making such changes. If I had no faith or hope, I would be sure that these things would be sure.
I guess I'm not really understanding the resistance to the idea of cutting the Federal budget by twenty percent.
ReplyDeleteAs for being dubious, I did mention my estimate of such happening as being somewhere south of 0.00%, no?
Here's the thing: if *something* had happened to allow a 20% slash of the Federal budget, then who knows what else could be possible?
I have seen the math that suggests it is impossible to pull out of this tail-spin. I've also seen Denninger's proposal for getting back on track, and he seems to think radical slashing of the budget (to the tune of 50%!!) together with a bunch more radical changes would do it.
Of course I'm not sure his estimate of the chance of that actually happening is any higher than mine. He just says, if there is a will to do so, here is what would be necessary.
In either case I'm busy working on my own personal parachute.