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I have heard athletes and movie stars suggest that their fame and fortune involves God. While success in those fields, given the numbers of those interested in being a part of it, is probably slightly rarefied, I suspect God had nothing to do with it beyond starting the whole ball rolling in the first places. At that point choices by present folk, and of course our predecessors, played a roll. Probability is what it is to include chaos theory; and maybe a few other events, some perhaps peripherally dealing with God, leading into our time... such as how the flood changed how things where, so are today. But God did not come down and suggest to some talent scout to pick So-and Whoositz. Beyond, considering the Hollywood, and "atheletic" set, and what goes on behind the scenes, I have great doubt that God, if He were to get involved, would do anything but keep people out of those viper pits.
Look, if you died and yet live... if you had a terminal illness and just "impossibly" got better... if the sun stops in the sky and the oceans turn red? Yeah, that might have something to do with God. Much else? I am quite dubious. Yes, I would have wanted to see the wounds. Yes, I would have checked them closely. But neither did Christ lament, or repudiate St. Thomas. Nor will God do so today. Miracles? Sure. But your job, health, long life, or how many pencils you have... not so much.
Many people, including myself, make the mistake of confusing God with rarity. While I have been dead three times, over a usually quickly terminal illness which I have unbelievably lived with for decades beyond the life expectancy of such... I don't think God, truly, did anything but... start the ball rolling. Choices, in the past, before my time, by people I have never heard of, both in my line and outside of it, lead to my birth, in a place and time, where with what I was born with, I was able to survive. Nothing more... probably. God does throw curve-balls though, and has His own reasons and intent, both built in and through involvements. Nothing is certain until it is or isn't.
Chance? Not... quite. Willed chance, by God, but not His direct command or even direct involvement. Choice is involved, but obviously is not how things run. A reality brew, you might say, concocted of many ingredients and processes. So many things are wrongly construed. If it is bad, could it be God? Why... yes. Easily. Happily should one have entertained Wisdom, if perhaps only in time. We are, after all, truly just human. A true martyr will receive rewards like few others. Job learned harshly, but held and was rewarded even here. Rain will fall on the house of the good and evil. It just will.
Oh, by the way... My mother has finally, after many years of not and no likelihood of starting, started attending church. I have prayed for this for... many years. She knew my intent but had her own. Funny, she is in church while I... sit here at home? Ah, but, it isn't as it seems. Should I be in a coma, it would make more sense. None would question it. My health makes... exact hour attendance quite a... trick. Alive, but, often, not. You, most of you, think nothing of showering, grooming, dressing, and being somewhere at precisely the half hour before the hour. For me that is akin to a tactical operation, involving every bit of effort and concentration I can pull together. And, even so, it fails quite often. I have gotten it all done, and headed toward the door, many times, to look at the clock and see the time has... passed. Not just minutes late, sometimes hours. It is not impossible to have done so on the wrong day... or did it just take... a... really... long... time... *shrug* Time... doesn't quite mean the same to you and to me, I think. Still, I was quite pleased, and I will... work... in the next month... to try to make it, and be with her at church, if only in spirit through time and space. If the dead can raise the dead, there be yet hope.
Perhaps this is rather a raving simplistic way of looking at things, but I tend to believe that God is involved in all things. We are fallen and imperfect and composed of base flesh, so obviously the Big Picture is going to elude us. But if I have faith in the existence of God then, by extension, I must also have faith in feeling that God is making the proper decision.
ReplyDeleteAlan Watts once said that we must say "Yes" to things over which we have no control, or else we risk going insane.
And, as Peter Straub and Steven King repeated in "The Talisman": "God pounds His nails".
One of the problems with God... acting... well, there are several.
ReplyDeleteThe one that I see plainly is the allowance of choice. Choice, if it is real, sort of nullifies God's actions, unless He can bend us to His will. Which, if I read the bible correctly, is Satan's way, and what cause the fall of Lucifer. Lots of room to... discuss this matter, mind you. Just my take.
As well, if God would not become involved in the battle between angels... Then again, that was probably a forgone conclusion, as most were still loyal. However, that even in the "spirit" world, that place other than earth, or flesh at least, if God does not get involved, how much more removed are we? Just a notion.
Further, I am not sure God can act (without... certain things being in place), on earth, without being here, in some form of flesh or other. That, I have to think, would... sort of be like an insect biologist digging into an ant nest to make one ant go right instead of left... only much worse. Now angels can, and have, acted. But has that been from direct communication with God, or according to a schedule or design He created?
There is the Holy Spirit, and Christ was here. Christ has returned to heaven and the Holy Spirit... Hmm... I think acts more as a compass than as a... father figure or sage. Must be used, mostly.
Still, believe as you must. Not sure I would... hrm... which King? Steven or Stephen? Not sure I know the former, but I wouldn't advise listening to the latter. Or Einstein, for that matter. Or Gandhi. Not on certain matters, for sure.
Still, it's a... ticklish notion. And, there are... possibilities, times that were, are, and may be different. Just my notion, and... now yours. :p Feel free to intone at your leisure, should you have a point of contention, or dozen. My blog is your blog. :)
I have something of the same opinion regarding contention that Frodo had concerning adventures: they make one late for supper.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, God has granted us the allowance of Choice. Not only do I feel it is part of His plan, but I like to believe* that God employs human choice as a means of covering all possible bases. I believe that God not only anticipated Man's fall, but the battle between angels. We run into some serious trouble if we attempt to reduce God to thinking in the same way we do.
*seeing as how God hasn't slipped me the answers from the back of the book.
Ah, but if you had my understanding of time... and supper... that would be not problem. It's ALWAYS supper time! And, therefore, one is always late. Trust me on this one little thing. :)
ReplyDeleteGod didn't just foresee much, He designed it. Desert Cat and myself have discussed some of these things as well. We sort of see how, since God does not abide time, or as we know it, or physics or the rest (or one might even say He does, but with perfect knowledge... either way, same conclusion), then... there is some wiggle room in there. Which, if I had to say, I would guess He quite deftly designed as well.
Now, where free will collides with God's design, to allow us choice... As I have suggested, I'm not sure we can change what we do, only whether we do so with God's will in mind, or work against it... which might then change what we do. Sort of a spin on the Wheeler experiment (search it on YouTube, if you want to see an interesting notion). Trickier than I can nail down more than that.
And while God hasn't given us the answers to, what I suspect will end up, minor questions... He has given us all the answers we will ever need, and more. Plus choice.
*grin*
"And while God hasn't given us the answers to, what I suspect will end up, minor questions... He has given us all the answers we will ever need, and more. Plus choice."
ReplyDeleteI like that.
Yeah. I do to.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to 'lose oneself' in the what if's, why not's, and could be's. I just sees those as flourishes and finials, not the substance, finally, in my life. Had to realize math, science, and myself, even religious theory, did not have the answers, and couldn't get them, though, first.
K.I.S.S. - why Christ chose humble men to follow Him. Better men than I, for they approached as children, had to be moved to faith even so. ~ You could not have known this thing without having been moved by the Holy Spirit.